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Welcome to our first installment of Indie Rocker vs Classic
Rocker
. Rather than publish dull-as-dishwater record reviews
TNY wants to give our readers the rather singular experience
of eavesdropping in a neighborhood bar on an animated
discussion of the greatest records ever made. In this edition
we feature Neutral Milk Hotel’s In the Aeroplane Over the
Sea
and Van Morrison’s Astral Weeks.

 

Neutral Milk Hotel – In the Aeroplane Over the Sea

 

 

Indie Rocker  -- It starts off innocently enough on the opening track, "The King of Carrot Flowers", with just an acoustic guitar and three simple chords; nothing too obvious – it’s understated if anything -- no crazy syncopated rhythms to try and throw the listener for a curve.  No gimmicky samplers and such.  Just the sound of plectrum on strings, strumming F, C, Bb.  Three chords, that's all.  You might even think -- while crashing through a case of lager or knocking down a few bong hits on a Saturday afternoon –  you’re listening to a friend's demo.  But then the voice comes in.  That fucking voice.  The voice that rendered a thousand singing instructors irrelevant.  And that's when you realize that you've never heard anything like this in your life.  The pitch, tone, and timbre of the voice that has just deemed centuries of musical theory completely and utterly obsolete.  It seems to say, Fuck your rules.  You want pretty picture-perfect vocals saturated by a staid color-by-numbers audio palette?  Well, you're in the wrong house, Junior.  Save that nonsense for the Post Gazette Pavilion crowd.  This is not an appetizer.  There will be no after-dinner mints.  You need to sit down with this thing, look it in the eye.  Talk to it.  Read, re-read (and then RE-re-read) the lyric sheet.  Have a drink if you feel it necessary to quell the butterflies in your stomach.  But it won't do any good; those little winged bitches are here to stay.   

 I’ve always believed that punk rock was more than just a genre – to me it’s a state of mind. It’s about breaking boundaries.  This album strongly argues in favor of such sentiments.  It gives a big sod-all to everything created prior to 1998.  Lyric-wise, its imagery evokes much of the 60's psychedelic bands but the words seem less dated, less prone to single-minded themes, more contemporary in its vision and depth.  It’s been nearly a decade since its release and the references to God, sex and loss (an iron-clad triumvirate for songwriting, if there ever was) steer the listener through shifting symmetrical audio patterns in a sideshow circus extravaganza that would make P.T. Barnum puke elixir out of sheer jealousy.  And forget clothespins, green mohawks and Doc Marten's; this album is devoid of a "look": this Mangum gentleman might be the kind of cat who wears sweater vests to his temp job; he might kick it with flannels while in confessional; hell, the sonofabitch could walk to the grocery store in Florsheims for all we know.  My point is, this music crosses boundaries, it fills the empty spaces that can underscore the weakness of many musical genres:  It fulfills the self-conscious shortcomings that can be inherent of folk, the lack of subtlety that often plagues indie-rawk, the self-absorption that has at times weighed down avant-garde (seriously, name a band that used a zanzithophone prior to this recording?  I dare you.  And while you're at it, try and explain to me just what the hell a zanzithophone is). This album, both visually and musically, is more punk rock than anything Green Day, Blink 182 or the Offspring ever shat upon the musical landscape (although GD does get props for their major-label dissing of W).  It's more cerebral than that.  It's taking preconceived notions about how a song should be written, the pre-conceived cookie-cutter mentality of how a song is sung, and throwing it against a wall and seeing what sticks; it's an album that is composed of a series of beautiful fragments, like a dimly lit warehouse full of smashed Pfaltzgraf pieced back together with a bongwater-and-crushed-Xanax paste.  Oh, and to top it off, the sucker is written entirely in one key, too.

 
 
 

 

 

Classic Rocker  --  You see, Kurt, I got none of that with this album.  I’ve listened to it a few times, which is a few times more than I would’ve had I not been listening for TNY, and I just don’t see it.  I’ll be honest,  I’ve never made it completely through the disc in one sitting.  A few times I shut it off and said: “Okay, I’ll just come back to it later when my mind is clear, when the dishes are done, when the cats are fed; when radio and books have failed to interest me; when the sun starts to set, I guess.”  And I had hopes for this album too.  I went ahead and read the All Music Guide bio on the band and their review, and read all about the fuzz-rock sound, the 60s influence, and thought I was in for a treat.  The first song, “The King of Carrot Flowers” was decent, I’ll admit.  And the singer sort of made me think of Peter Tork doing Indie music.  But by song four I realized that I was just listening to the same trick over and over again, another overly-educated band from some small college; nice little guys who just didn’t get what they wanted out of that poetry class they took, and felt that writing was too long a path to take in order to get chicks to bat their eyes at them.

            So the music is a drag to me, and the Indie Rock aesthetic is something I simply have no tolerance for at this point. You must forgive me, but I put in a few years at the so-called legendary Cottages up in Squirrel Hill, so my days and nights were filled with this sort of sound, this same personal fashion flair; in short, I knew a lot of bands who tried/did sound like Neutral Milk Hotel, so I don’t see Mangum making music prior to 1998 irrelevant.  I tried to look at what was at stake back then, and what is now, and I really couldn’t place these guys within any significant/stand-out context.  That said, I’ll admit their influence has permeated what people consider modern chamber pop music.  I can hear NMH’s influence in the moody ambience of a Matt Pond Pa record, and certainly a band like Head of Femur are almost blatant disciples of these guys; however, in Head of Femur’s case they’ve taken the commonness of NMH and have made it completely off the wall (if you haven’t listened to those cats, give ‘em a chance).

            The music makes me want to drink and take bong hits, but not for the kind of reason you’d expect.  I’d have to get drunk or stoned just to keep listening to this. I have a low tolerance for boredom and the banal.  But I like the horns.  And as for the zanzithophone, I’ll have to take your word for it.  Being the first to use an instrument does not qualify one as genius. After all, The Monkees were the first band to use a moog. 

Nor can I grasp the Punk aesthetic you link to Neutral Milk Hotel.  And I too am not talking stereotypical designer punk, or even original punk, or however you personally define it.  In fact the word “punk” as used to define a way of life has become so convoluted, it doesn’t mean anything now. Calling something “punk” is like calling a German Shepherd a dog.  If I go by a definition of punk being something (style, writing, music) that goes against the grain, I can really only think of a handful of musicians/musical acts in all of time that can be construed as punk: Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Elvis Presley, The Velvet Underground, Sugar Hill Gang, R.E.M., and TV On the Radio, would be a few. 

Neutral Milk Hotel is pleasant enough, but its music that’s not particularly different from everything else people were listening to in 1998 in the Indie scene.  My problem is that NMH is music you can shut off and not even remember listening to in the first place.

 

 
 
 
 

Indie Rocker  --  Oh, Christ. . . with that sentence my biggest fear has been realized;  I’ve engaged in a music discussion with a tired old crank who resents those that actually take the initiative to do something about their erections.  Because, y’know, Charlie Parker was hatched from an egg* and just miraculously played sax – solely for the benefit of mankind, mind you -- and not for the free smack and loose chixxx;  because everyone knows that Elvis (the biggest co-opter of black culture in the history of modern music; he makes Eminem look like the musical equivalent of a Black Panther) only did it for the betterment of Mississippi Delta Bluesmen – and not for the mountains of Quaaludes and peanut butter and banana sandwiches; that Michael Stipe only got into music because, well, there were statistics that said prematurely balding effeminate men are less likely to move up the corporate ladder, and so on and so forth...  While I’m certainly not discounting the achievements or passion of the above artists, let’s face facts and admit that our hearts and minds have been hijacked by romanticism, let’s admit that Parker/Presley/Stipe’s intentions weren’t all out of high-mindedness; that they also got into the business because the money was (potentially) good, the drugs were free, and the trim was easy.  Hell, you could add/subtract from the three at your discretion but to not accept at least one of them as a reason they played/made music is positively naïve. 

To claim NMH as just another group from the frustrated artist crowd is certainly something worth noting – after all, “many are called, but few are chosen” as the saying goes – but there is more to it than that.  Just realize that there are plenty of icons who chose music for the exact same reason as NMH (if you do choose to believe that Mangum and co. started making music simply because of numerous unsuccessful attempts to pull digits from co-eds).  Frankly, I’ve never read an interview from Jeff Mangum about why he wrote In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, so I don’t know.  He’s been too busy the last couple of years building tree forts in the Ozarks to let anybody in on the secret.  But I do know that both Lou Reed and John Doe didn’t get what they wanted out of that poetry class they took, so they turned to Rock ‘n Roll.  And, like NMH, I thank fucking Christ for that.

            And while I admire your slumming around Squirrel Hill, subjecting yourself to years of “this sort of sound” (oh, the nobility!), your diatribe can’t be considered anything more than blatant generalizing.  As far as context is concerned, how about In the Aeroplane Over the Sea ranking #1 in Magnet a few years ago as the best album over the last ten years?  Is that not a “stand-out” context?  We’re all aware of the reverence that can be -- but often times shouldn’t be -- displayed in regards to these rankings, but right now, Magnet is considered an integral voice in independent music.  Doesn’t that say something about NMH?  That an internationally known and respected magazine recognized this artist as creating the best piece of work over a ten year span?  As for me, one of my main points was that I couldn’t put them into a context, which I alluded to with the confessional/Florsheim comment; that isn’t to say that the music from In the Aeroplane… isn’t beyond comparison – that would be ridiculous.  My point was that they borrowed from many different genres creating their own unique sound… a unique sound that resonated with a lot of people, the aforementioned Magnet and Matt Pond/Head of Femur camp.  But to say that Head of Femur are superior to NMH (I believe you said they lack the “commonness” of NMH) is ridiculous.  It’s like preferring Bush over Nirvana or generic aspirin over Tylenol. 

            And it should also be noted that every artist that you mentioned above, from Parker to Sugar Hill Gang to R.E.M., initially had their detractors, people who thought, eh ,is that all?  Was Murmur not titled that due to a friend’s diss of Michael Stipe’s unique singing style?  Was it Punk Rock as we defined the term, or just some guy who couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket?  It would be years before R.E.M. received the acclaim that has put them in the upper echelon of Great American Bands.  Critics love to sit back in retrospect and write that everyone who saw The Velvet Underground in person went out and formed a band, but I’m willing to bet that there were just as many people who thought, Fer Chrissakes, Andy, are you sure that EVERYONE gets their  fifteen minutes of fame?!  Even these fuckers?!  Pass me the coke before I fall asleep.  I guess that only time will tell in regards to NMH.

 

(*  There’s a great children’s story about Charlie “Bird” Parker written by Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts called “From One Charlie to Another”.  It’s a touching tribute to the great saxophone player written in allegory that documents Parker’s talent as well as his faults while still providing solemn respect to this music giant.  It can’t be more than 8-10 pages, but it’s pretty cool nonetheless.)

           

Moving on…

 

 

 

Van Morrison – Astral Weeks

 

 

Classic Rocker  -- Okay Kurt, I guess I’ll just have to let it stand that you called me old, and move on; notice, however, how easily I took to the crank part.  Well...here’s a bad segue ...when is something old considered classic?  In the case of Van Morrison, man, I just can’t be sure.  I’ve never liked the guy, I’ll admit.  I’ve only enjoyed two Van Morrison songs in my life. One of them was the song Gloria, which Van wrote for his band Them, and Brown-Eyed Girl, but only because the song was featured in Sleeping With The Enemy, a movie where Julia Roberts gets kicked around quite a bit (Editor’s Note: Grochalski would like it to be known that he doesn’t advocate violence of any kind...except maybe violence against Julia Roberts).

 

I understand I’m supposed to like Van Morrison, and I realize that as a music fan I’m supposed to be totally impressed with the melding of folk and blues and jazz on Astral Weeks, but the problem is I’m simply not.  From the opening of the title song to the end of “Slim Slow Rider” I find the album to be one long snoozefest.  I think maybe I only like “The Way Young Lovers Do” and that’s because I put the song on a mix tape I made for my wife very early on in our relationship.  I know, I know, this begs the question why did he put the song on a mix tape if he doesn’t like Van Morrison?  Because the song is good.  Fine, Kurt, add it to the list with the other two.

 

To dig deeper, I hate the warbling sound of Van Morrison on this disc, the quiet moans and aches, and the oh-so-precious accompaniment of the music.  I hate the climactic exuberance of “Cyprus Avenue” and I simply get nothing out of “Madame George”.  In fact, the only thing I’m impressed with concerning Astral Weeks is that the album came out in 1968 as a quiet rumination on growing up in a year that saw chaotic discs released from The Rolling Stones (Beggar’s Banquet), Jimi Hendrix (Electric Ladyland), and even The Beatles (The White Album).

 

And to put it personally, on the rare occasion I’m invited to a party, or even go to a party I was somehow invited to, and someone puts on Astral Weeks, as has happened numerous times, it’s my cue to leave immediately because if I wanted to fall asleep I’d go home...or put on a Nick Drake or Jeff Buckley album.  I’ll admit my bias.  I also never cared for Van Morrison or his music because every two-bit-World-Cup-jersey-wearing Indie-Rocker in that fabled Squirrel Hill apartment building thought Van was the man; at least those who missed the boat on Ray Davies or came in too late with Brian Wilson; or who remembered that rock music had been around longer than that time The Clash got together to crap out their debut album, or worse when the members of Sonic Youth decided that poetry, painting, collage, etc. etc. etc. wasn’t for them, and that music was the key to being invited to those hip SoHo parties.

 
 
 
 
 
Indie Rocker -- Well, let’s just hope for your sake that the next two albums we discuss are Muswell Hillbillies and, I don’t know, Brian Wilson’s 40 yr. old opus, Smile.  There’s just no pleasing you, is there, Grochalski?
 
The thing is I really liked Astral Weeks.  Did I enjoy it as much as In the Aeroplane...  ?  Nah, I wouldn’t go that far.  But there are some similarities between the two albums:  Both have great horn sections as well as the wide array of instruments, but what really floored me were the vocals on both releases. These cats have otherworldly voices – to the point that random piss testing would be strictly enforced were they to make their living hitting baseballs and not kicking out the jams – so it’s fitting that they are the focal points with these two albums.  Yeah, there’s a bit of warbling on Astral Weeks, but the moment the vox start up I know that it’s Morrison and he’s just itching to show Jagger, McCartney and Davies how it’s done. While Morrison and Mangum sound nothing alike, their quintessential uniqueness resonates with me. 
 
It does take a few listens to appreciate some of the songs on Astral Weeks, specifically the title cut, “Sweet Thing” and “Ballerina”, but “The Way Young Lovers Do”, with its kicking horns, kills me from start to finish.  It is definitely a great tune.  It’s the “Holland, 1945” of Morrison’s album, with its paradoxically upbeat tempo melded with more lyrics about (gasp!) love, loss, etc.  But, y’know what?  There are some really great, albeit loping, songs on this disc; “Beside You” with its airy flutes and vocal gymnastics – the “you breathe in you breathe out you breathe in you breathe out” is perfick – and I’m sorry, but “Madame George” is a great song…although I have no idea about the storyline – is he a transvestite or a transsexual?  A she?  A him?  A shim?  It’s the songwriting equivalent of the zanzithophone – a complete mystery!!!  Plus, all of these tunes, like NMH’s “Two-Headed Boy”, with its Caro-Jeunet-esque plotline about a head in a jar, and “Oh, Comely”, show extraordinary vocal range.  For the very reason you disliked Astral Weeks I found it comparable in quality to the other releases of that era, like the aforementioned Electric Ladyland.  To me, it enjoys its own identity and is at the same time a successful amalgamation of jazz, folk, etc... 
 
The main issue that I had with the album was (and this will come as no surprise) that it’s on a major label.  The production is soooo staid and the musicians were like free agent mercenaries.  Yeah, the musicianship is tastefully understated and certainly competent but it’s like comparing the 1998 New York Yankees to the 2006 version.  Sure, they have the big $$$ and are always in the mix of things during the postseason – but where has it gotten them in the last six years?  Where is the Scott Brosius of the group?  The Tino Martinez?  Perhaps a better example of frugal spending with maximum output would be the 2002 Anaheim Angels, but my point is that the production and the instrumentation on In the Aeroplane…is far more experimental; the songs jump out and grab you and each instrument makes its presence known without overdoing it.  They perfectly complement each other.  Just listen to the title track of In the Aeroplane…with its musical saw solo, which conjures Delicatessen-y visions (to continue with the Caro-Jeunet parallels).  And imagine if Merge or Touch & Go had been around when Astral Weeks came out; Mitch Easter or Albini would’ve knocked these songs out of the park.  Whereas Astral Weeks has a tendency to plod along at a snail’s pace, NMH’s release covers far more ground, from the mariachi-esque “Holland, 1945” to the funeral dirge that is “The Fool”.  And as for conclusions, who wouldn’t appreciate (besides Grochalski) the fantastic ending of In the Aeroplane’s…closing duet of voice and guitar, followed by the setting down of the guitar and squeak of the chair as Mangum gets up to leave, as if to announce to the listener “That’s it…I’m done…I have nothing more to say…” 
 
And please explain to me, Grochalski, just what the hell kind of parties have Astral Weeks playing on the turntable/CD player/iPod?  Is there wine tasting involved?  Chocolate fondue?  Maybe a wake thrown in there somewhere?  My god, man, you need to get out more often. 
 
Oh, and by the way, if I were president here is a list of things that I would do upon entering office:
           
            1. Find Osama Bin Laden.
 
2. Promote Willie Nelson’s alternative fuel production company.
 
3. Ban the song “Brown Eyed Girl” from every damn jukebox in North America.*
 
*While it’s nowhere near as bad as “Sweet Home Alabammy”, Van Morrison’s “hit” is still a grossly overplayed novelty.  I can just picture some wrinkly, overweight baby boomer at the local sports bar, who upon hearing the opening strains of the song begins gyrating with his equally corpulent better half, both possessing what can aptly be described as the opposite of rhythm, while the burden of mortgage payments and fantasies of extra-marital affairs with his daughter’s college roommates lingers in his mind as he sloshes around the dance floor with an overpriced cocktail in his hand.  Blech!    
 
 
 
 
 

Classic Rocker -- Kurt...that’s brilliant!  That is SO INDIE to scoff at a major label...in 1968???  Has history taught you nothing?  Has the consumerist sway of America not allowed you to realize the development of said labels?  Let me give you a little bit of history.  Labels weren’t the slick machines then as they are now.  Most of them actually tried to create “art” back then.  Most labels actually had producers/field people on staff that actually went out and searched for engaging bands, as opposed to some chick with a nice rack, or a cute boy that can push the latest trend.  I realize the game is different for majors now, but during Van’s time there was an art behind the music making, and these so-called “free agent” mercenaries were probably some of the best musicians working in the business.  If you don’t believe me, check Dylan’s Blonde on Blonde.

 

I realize I’m in the public “wrong” for not digging the Van album, but aside from the qualities you mention, I just find the man and his music boring and overwrought.  But I’ve already said that.

 

And I can most certainly be pleased.  Give me something challenging like old Tom Waits, or the Velvet’s White Light/White Heat to banter about, and I’ll show you something in terms of enjoyment.  And as for parties, I’ve been to a number with the Indie ilk and this drag of an album always came on when they wanted to get “Old School” shed the track jackets and kick it with the vintage t-shirts.  Of course it was always on vinyl, on some specific pressing, and usually hit the turntable after an argument over whether or not they should play Something Else by the Kinks.  I think I got out enough; maybe it was just the redundancy of the people I knew, a plague in the Indie community if you ask me.  Banality as an art form...sort of like the two discs we listened to this round.

 

I hope next time the good minds at TNY give us something to sink our teeth into.  Talking about Van Morrison and Neutral Milk Hotel is like prattling on about my grandfather’s dietary habits.

 

And the 2002 Anaheim Angels were a fluke, a paid for team as well.  Let’s talk the 2006 Tigers, the team the Buccos could’ve had if wise enough to bring back Leyland.  But that’s a conversation for another time.  Maybe we’ll have it at the Squirrel Cage during $2 import night, or are you Indie cats still drinking the Pabst and Strohs?

 
 
 
 
 

Indie Rocker -- Sorry about that…I was sidetracked by Jessica Simpson’s surgically enhanced cleavage and didn’t catch everything that you said...but from what I gathered it was just more stereotyping… 

 

Anyway, I appreciate the brief overview on the history of popular music, but it’s a shame that it came off as a 2nd rate Abe Simpson diatribe.  Record labels then were no more magnanimous then they are now…just look at the Dave Clark Five or Tiny Tim.  In fact, why not check out the Liverpudlians-Dressing-Up-Like-Gay-Pirate-Proprietors-of-a-Fish-n-Chips-Shop cover art that is Sgt. Pepper’s -- or better yet, how about the entire friggin’ concept of The Rolling Stones Their Satanic Majesty’s Request…now there’s an example of an unoriginal gimmick.  The bottom line isn’t something that came along with the advent of TRL, nor is the concept of consumerism; it’s been around forever.  And I can’t help but think that if it were 1968 instead of 2006 you’d be saying the very same things about Electric Ladyland or the White Album that you’re saying about NMH; that Jimi Hendrix was just a guy making noise or that John Lennon was merely a heretic, all the while lamenting the effects of free love and acting pissed off because Bing Crosby is no longer on the charts. You’re painting in broad strokes, which is unfortunate considering there are bands like Radiohead and Built to Spill who have released relevant material on major labels (to name just two).

 

And to continue the baseball analogy, there was never any debate as to the ability of said studio musicians – just as there is no debate as to the ability of Alex Rodriguez.  But who would you rather have?  A-Rod or Jim Leyritz?  My point was that talent helps, but chemistry is integral, which was something that I found lacking in Astral Weeks.   Hell, Yanni and Kenny G are considered “great” musicians but I don’t see anybody knocking down their door to include them on an album.   

 

But I do thank you for the sartorial critique – my sweet new Puma track jacket that I ordered just arrived; it’s a fantastic ocean blue.  I’ve been told that it brings out my eyes.  Perhaps I’ll wear it when we meet up for those beers.  And while I’m a Yuengling man, I certainly don’t need a $2 drink special to enjoy a Guinness or a Molson XXX.

 

 

Kurt Garrison, TNY’s resident Indie Rocker, kicks the traps for indie-rock heartthrobs Workshop. He also plays banjo (poorly) and has a cat named Isaac.

 

5 records our readers should own (in honor of Michael Azerrad's "our band could be your life", a book that I've found myself reading for what's probably the 10th time):

1.     Minutemen "Double Nickels on the Dime"

2.     Replacements "Let it Be"

3.     Mission of Burma "Vs."

4.     Dinosaur Jr. "Green Mind"

5.     Mudhoney "Super Fuzz Big Muff plus early singles"

 

 

John Grochalski, TNY’s resident Classic Rocker, is a writer formerly from Pittsburgh. He lives in Buffalo now with his wife and two cats. Grochalski's book of poems "The Noose Doesn't Get Any Looser After You Punch Out" will be released via Six Gallery Press in 2007.

 

5 records our readers should own:

1.     Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde"

2.     Bruce Springsteen "The River"

3.     Dan Bern "New American Language"

4.     Icewagon Flu "Take One"

5.     Monkees "Headquarters"